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, especially world war ii, and then on up to the civil rights movement to get where we should be. wants people she of courage, i can tell you personally my skin has gotten much, much thicker, but it still hurts a little bit when people that did not have my scores to get in school call me a moron and these ridiculous names and load up the internet with ridiculous allegations that are not true at all. so, that is not necessarily courage, not the kind that the great heroes of america had, but it is a confidence in knowing who i am and knowing where this country needs to be if it will continue for another 100 years. host: dolores, massachusetts. independent caller. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: my question is regarding immigration. -- it seems like immigration problems, once people come here illegally, they not only get the benefits -- and i understand why they are coming, to benefit their family , but some of them are coming to destroy america as we once knew it -- our traditions, our religions, whatever. they are not just coming from mexico. they are coming from all over the
. you would not have had it and not a series of civil rights pieces of sieve legislation pass given the way this senate operates. >> it's about leadership. david? >> i agree. >> on both sides of pennsylvania avenue -- >> we have had arguments on this show before about barack obama. i'm disappointed in him. i think he wasn't strong enough. i agree with, sadly, with maureen's column. >> i go back to what an ambassador from the middle east told me in year one about president obama. i thought he was extraordinarily moving at the state of the union. but said from the mistake they make, richard, i'm sure you heard this a lot. mistake they make at the white house in twine they blebelieve speech is the end instead of the speech the mean to get to the end. you start there. but you have to do the lyndon johnson, the george w. bush which is -- >> you think they are. the most salient fact in maureen's column is the person they are sending up to the hill is practically invisible. they think they are bending ears and doing politics but it's so ineffectual the result is what the result was. >> i'v
the civil liberties perspective, we submit up and hopefully it's used the right way. this week was a good example of that. the problem is when this becomes government only. if the government, through its reach or subpoena powers or patriot overreach can basically turn and deputize lord and taylor and you're in my iphone and sweep and vacuum it up, that's more concerning because we know in countries that have overwhelming surveillance, there tends to be abuse. >> we actually saw that happen this week, right? >> there's more than just simply the legal issues here, melissa. there's a security reason why we have to be concerned about oversurveillance. the key issue here in the short term, surveillance gives us a picture of a perpetrator. in the long-term, it allows racial profiling. what happens is the public almost automatically begins to look at that picture and then think, oh, anybody who looks like that person is somehow a suspect. there's millions who might fit that bill. let me go further, what did the terrorist organizations do with this? this is a source of the perceived injustice aga
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